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KH Public Service Announcement by alyssafew KH Public Service Announcement by alyssafew
Character bashing is a huge, huge turn-off for me, no matter what the character. I've actually been known to like characters more after seeing them bashed, because I end up feeling sorry for them.

Look, it's not the end of the world if you can't stand a character. Really. We can still be friends. Just have a little respect for them, even if you don't like them, okay? A character never did anything to you.

(If you agree, please feel free to spread this around.)

(Sorry if this hit your devwatch twice. I changed my mind about the preview and couldn't see how to fix it except by deleting the deviation. ^^;)

Edit: Holy crap, you guys. I've been trying to respond to all comments on this one because it's that important to me, but y'all just keep coming! I can't keep up! :heart: I'm really glad this is being so well-received, and I very much appreciate all your comments, even if I can't respond to them all. :thanks:
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Devin-Trinidad Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This is possibly one of the best ways to offer positive encouragement towards the fandom. 
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SnakeMage Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I highly agree, kairi is awsome! why do people have to bash on her all the time? geez...
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DragonPyra1319 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013  Student General Artist
THANK YOUUU!!!! FINALLY!!! Someone who understands!!! :iconclapplz:
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OrionTHedgehog Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconclapplz: Well said.
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sweetsweetsunshines Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome, I for one love Kairi and agree that bashing usually makes me pity characters more
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gambzilla Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012
FUCK YEAH! SO MUCH WIN!
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fantasyfan1999 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I'm not a big fan Kairi, so instead of bashing her, I just don't add her in a story unless it's absolutely necessary.
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animaillady32 Featured By Owner May 26, 2011
Glad I found somone who hates character blashing as much as me I mean seriesy even if I hate a character I still wish haters would cut them some slack.
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NightsideHaven Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2011
I kind of love you right now.


See, Kairi-bash is one of the many, many reasons I decided to take a huge step out of fandom. I think it's terrible to desecrate and warp perfectly good characters just for the sake of your petty dislikes or your fangirlish dreams of RiSo buttsex. If you don't like her, fine. Don't abuse her character and abuse others by making THEM hate her. It makes me cry sometimes to see how far my fandom can sink.

Then I see this, and it makes my day a little brighter :) thank you.
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Miscomunication Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
I am getting a little sick of the Kairi bashing
I've read a lot of fanfics where she's a bitch, but it normally isn't to do with the main KH story or anything like that so it's alright i guess
but everywhere else
damn
>.>
aww well, guess you gotta hate somebody
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alyssafew Featured By Owner May 18, 2011   Digital Artist
Ain't /gotta/ hate nobody. We can grow past our ingrained bullshit tribalism that leads us to make certain people "other". And we can definitely stop projecting it on innocent fictional characters.

*firm nod, steps off soapbox*

Anyway. XD
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Miscomunication Featured By Owner May 19, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
haha thats true I guess XD

now what? XD
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Xarti Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2011  Student General Artist
After thinking about it for so long (and poking around TV Tropes), I concluded that we the audience have gotten so used to stereotypes that any one character that's different than what we are used to gets bashed because they don't fit. Another conclusion is that boys got centuries of stories to be developed, they can be whimps, the strong guy, etc. But with girls making them 3-dimensional can take some getting used to. Lastly, jealous teen girls who don't have lives and too much free time on their hands.
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Schnee-Fee Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2010  Student Filmographer
I agree with your point, but the only true reason I passionately dislike her is because she constantly ends up a damsel in distress. This is also more apparent because I seem to tend to like female characters with more bite than bark. (See Larxene and Aqua) I also dislike her because, well, she's got Mary Sue tendencies. (I.E. both male leads have an interest in her, she's a Princess of Heart, her personality doesn't exactly match with her appearance that much, and the story mostly surrounds her in a few of the games rather the main character and his very own conflict. Not to mention she gets rescued A LOT more than any other character in the series.)

However, that's just my penny for my thoughts. Everyone else could have their own.
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2011   Digital Artist
Yeah, her persistent damselocity ticks me off, too. That's more the writers/designers' fault than hers, though - especially since we keep seeing how willing she is to join in the fight, the story just won't ever let her!

I don't think she's all that bad on the Mary Sue front, when kind of EVERYONE in this series is ~*sparkly special*~. XD She has character flaws, more depth than is immediately apparent, and, well... the main character is not particularly conflicted. XD Especially not after KH1, where his immediate issues with Riku are resolved. From that point on his objectives are pretty much SAVE WORLDS, FIND FRIENDS, so... it makes sense that Kairi (and Riku) would be focused on more.

Totally with you on Aqua, though. It kind of makes the story's treatment of Kairi all the more frustrating, because in Aqua, we can SEE they can do awesome, active female characters. They just won't let Kairi be one, for some reason. :|

tl;dr your opinions are totally valid and I agree somewhat, I just blame the writers instead of Kairi and try to mine her for the awesomeness I know is in there somewhere
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Schnee-Fee Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Student Filmographer
Sometimes, I think Square should just have someone who is a woman design the female characters, just to make the gender strength and weakness more balanced. It will probably make the characters more realistic and relatable.

XD I only see the sparkly special with KairixSora, because I noticed more and more of the darker side of the rest of the characters. (Except the Final Fantasy ones, since their role development takes more to their original game.)
I wasn't talking about him specifically; I meant all around, even the games where he is not the character you control through the game.

I guess they want Kairi to be in character and make her the one who has to sit there and look pretty. (I guess the useless girl fan service?)
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alyssafew Featured By Owner May 18, 2011   Digital Artist
Fuckin' word. That's the root of a LOT of the issues with female characters, I think: Most Writers Are Male and don't think too hard about/don't have a good frame of reference for/just plain don't like female characters. It's a wide spectrum.

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree - when we played Roxas it was very much about his conflict (or more specifically, the fact that THE UNIVERSE HATES HIM), Kairi only had a bit part in BBS, and Riku's path in CoM was all about his conflict. (And also about his sparly specialness! Everyone, from the villains to Jesusyoda I mean Mickey, spent the latter half of his story going "OMGWTF HAX?! NOBODY HAS EVER DONE WHAT HE'S DOING I DON'T EVEN". He's sparkly special too! His sparkles are just. Dark. XD)

Haha the thing that burns me though is that just sitting there and looking pretty is OUT of character for Kairi. As they show us. Repeatedly. It's very frustrating.


(A further thought on the whole Mary Sue deal, as a tangential footnote: For my money, the true mark of a Mary Sue is not how ~special~ they are, it's down to two factors: Do they have a personality depth greater than cardboard, and do the other characters react to them in a way consistent with their own characters?

Which is why I think Xion, for instance, is very much not a Mary Sue, even though on the surface she looks like the template for every Org Sue out there. She does have personality and some serious issues, and she doesn't warp anyone's characterizations around her. Hell, I was surprised at how many plotholes she filled.

I think Kairi gets a Mary Sue exemption pass for those same reasons. Even if the games irritatingly refuse to delve into it, there IS some personality depth there, complete with Issues, and she doesn't make anyone act OOCly. Fairytaleishly, maybe, but she's always been a fairytale princess, Sora's always been a fairytale hero, and KH has always been a fairytale.)
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crazyhorse567 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Aww i love it! And I totally agree! Great job!
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Yukiko-berrie Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
i agree with you on this. Kiari is a great person, since I've started reading stories on Quizilla I've noticed 95% of the authors portray Kiari as an "evil bitchy queen/slut/ boy stealer" it had screwed my view for moment but i don't believe that one bit. I also believe that even if I don't like the characters I still have to respect them, because let's face it: if i were a character of a comic/videgoame/tv show and people started making me into this OOC monster I'd be heartbroken and wonder what i did to server it.

The point is people need to tolerate others: fictional characters, and the like.
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StaneshiftTheWolf Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True. No matter which character I dislike, I could never bash them, but only attempt to see their good sides. Without those characters, honestly, there wouldn't be the story. Character bashing is stupid.

Great Comic :). I love the way you portrayed Riku and Sora and I feel you got the message across.
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fazzygrl Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with you. I personally think Kairi's an adorable character. :) They really should put her in princess mode. :D

... and of course, bring out more of the romance going on between her and Sora.. :nod:
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Loralata Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
EXACTLY!!
This is the kinda stuff there needs to be more of! I don't understand all the Kairi haters, I mean, what has she ever done to deserve such hate?!
Yeah, she's a little overly girly but she's also a great friend to Sora and Riku!
Well anyways great drawing!
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Hightech94 Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2010
You ould listen to this kind of stuff fans. There is a special lesson about this: Just let it roll man.(putcs hay in his mouth and lean back) Just let it roll.

But still one more negative thing about her and dududududududu.
Sora:Cameron this is Kingdom Hearts, we don't dududu here.
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Xarti Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2010  Student General Artist
I agree with the comic, also I don't get the Kairi (Larxene and insert KH female here) bashing either.
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TRAkatsukiXIII Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010   Artisan Crafter
Thank You!!!
I couldn't agree more!:D

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BosleyBoz Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
DAMN RIGHT! i also hate gay sora and riku
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Yukiko-berrie Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
me too. sheesh people really screw with characters these days. it's great to have an opinion but when it's so widely used it starts to become "fact"
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BosleyBoz Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ugh. ikr?! they get so annoying then call us the bad guys because WE dont like it -_-
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SavedGirl152006 Featured By Owner May 11, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OH MY GOD, A SHRED OF SANITY IN THE KH FANDOM. *basks in it, then hugs her Kairi muse*
Why must there be so much hate on the female characters? They're awesome! ;w;
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miasaka Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
MEEP! HUGE COMMENTS!
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QueenSnake Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2009
Years later, this is still relevant, and funny. I adore Kairi, and SoRiKai is my OT3. I don't see how someone can miss the fact that they're a TRIO. Even if you don't ship it as an OT3, Kairi is a vitally important part of Sora and Riku's lives.

Now someone needs to do one for Xion...
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
I feel the need to respond to this. :/

While I do realize that several people do get out of hand when it comes to portraying certain characters, I also realize that it's hard to keep them 'in-character' when they don't have much of a character to begin with.

All we are ever shown of Kairi is that she's a childhood friend of Sora and Riku's, she's in love with Sora, and she's also a PoH. That's about it. We have no other depth to her. And because of that, fanfic writers dictate what her personality is, both the ones that like her and the ones that don't.

The ones that like her give her traits she never possessed to begin with, such as being motherly, overly-friendly, and/or being extremely caring, even to those she just met. Excuse me, but with her little talk with Roxas, she cuts him off asking if he knows who Sora is. She doesn't care about anyone else.

Even in her exchanges with Selphie and Axel, that's all she ever talks about or wants to hear.

With Selphie, she completely shrugs off Riku being missing for over a year in favor of a boy who may or may not exist. Then, she declines from playing with a lonely friend because of a supposed promise she made with this possibly non-existent person.

With Axel, all he has to do is mention "Sora" and she's all ready to go.

When she meets HPO in Twilight Town and tells them her story, Olette decides that it's 'romantic' and when Sora meets up with them, they don't even know who Riku is until he mentions him. So, given that, it seems that Kairi didn't even mention Riku at all in her story.

So, uh, where's the concern for Riku?

Even in KH1, she doesn't show much concern for Riku.

She offered to leave him behind to go on a cruise with Sora, just the two of them.
She even shows a lack of concern for Sora in that scene, for even thinking about leaving behind his BFF.

Then, she abandons Riku when he was being possessed by Ansem without even trying to do anything to help, and when Sora talks to her, says that he'll be alright since he can take care of himself.

But when she saw Sora disappear into tiny, bright little lights, she "won't let him go."

So much for "going to Hell and back for the two of them". :/

(I'll make the rest of it shorter.)

"Why would we take her on a raft with us?" - I see two possibilites with this:

1) She begged Sora to death.
2) Because she's the one from another world.

"Why would she be a Princess of Heart?" - Because that exempts them from having faults? If darkness doesn't always = bad, then surely light doesn't always = good either.

"How could she wield a Keyblade?" - It wasn't her own to begin with, and I don't see how that's an admirable trait, really. :/

"Save Sora as a Heartless?" - Uh, because she's a Princess of Heart. That's it. If Alice or Jasmine were there and did the same thing, it would have the same result.

"Like or dislike her for what she REALLY is."
Oh trust me, I do.
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009   Digital Artist
S'cool, as long as you don't mind me replying.

I admit that Kairi gets pretty shafted on screentime compared to most of the other characters. However, I think there's still enough to see, at least, what her personality is meant to be.

"...with her little talk with Roxas, she cuts him off asking if he knows who Sora is. She doesn't care about anyone else."

Consider: from her perspective, she was hearing a mysterious voice in her head who seemed to know both her and the boy she'd been struggling to remember all this time. I think she can be forgiven for jumping the gun.

"Even in her exchanges with Selphie and Axel, that's all she ever talks about or wants to hear."

...because that's the storyline being focused on. The game is showing us what's immediately relevant to the plot. And, for better or for worse, Sora and his connections to people pretty much dominate the plot of KH2.

"Then, she declines from playing with a lonely friend because of a supposed promise she made with this possibly non-existent person."

Well, she declined going to the island. Selphie's still hanging out with her when she puts out the message in a bottle, and there's no reason to think they didn't continue hanging out, just... not at the island.

"With Axel, all he has to do is mention "Sora" and she's all ready to go."

Mm, I guess we saw that scene differently. It certainly piqued her interest, but he was still a sketchy stranger who'd showed up out of nowhere, and she was weighing that fact against her desire to see Sora again.

"So, uh, where's the concern for Riku?"

That is one of the most problematic parts of Kairi's character, I agree! ... Which is why I've been writing a fancomic to explain it. XD [link] I've only finished it through KH1 so far, but I think it addresses a lot of your issues. XD Particularly the "let's take the raft and go" comment, and the incident at Hollow Bastion.

""Why would we take her on a raft with us?" - I see two possibilites with this:

1) She begged Sora to death.
2) Because she's the one from another world."

Still... a raft. You'd want to be damn sure the people you took with you for a potentially very long voyage on a tiny raft were people you actually got along with.

""Why would she be a Princess of Heart?" - Because that exempts them from having faults? If darkness doesn't always = bad, then surely light doesn't always = good either."

Granted. But given the cosmic importance the Princesses seem to have (and who most of them are), we can at least figure that they are meant to be basically good people.

""How could she wield a Keyblade?" - It wasn't her own to begin with, and I don't see how that's an admirable trait, really. :/"

Man, I don't even know what is up with that Keyblade anymore. But I'd argue that it's a trait that is more or less favorable - even if they seem to be handing Keyblades out like candy these days, there's still one common trait: a heart that is worthy of a Keyblade. (Or a connection to one that is. See: Roxas and Xion.) Riku was originally meant to wield the Keyblade, after all. After it picked Sora instead, Riku only got his own after a long, hard year of atonement for what he'd done.

""Save Sora as a Heartless?" - Uh, because she's a Princess of Heart. That's it. If Alice or Jasmine were there and did the same thing, it would have the same result."

I'd argue that it's more than that. Kairi had just been riding around inside Sora's heart for a few months, they were childhood friends, and yes, there's the romance connection too. Alice or Jasmine might be just as powerful, but Kairi has a connection to Sora that none of the other Princesses do. Sora even says as much when they're discussing what happened to him: "Our hearts are connected."

Maybe being a Princess gave her the power to do what she did. But being close to Sora was what gave her the way.
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
"Consider: from her perspective, she was hearing a mysterious voice in her head who seemed to know both her and the boy she'd been struggling to remember all this time. I think she can be forgiven for jumping the gun."

Still have to admit it's pretty rude. :/

Roxas: My name is-
Kairi: Don't care. Tell me who he is.

"...because that's the storyline being focused on. The game is showing us what's immediately relevant to the plot. And, for better or for worse, Sora and his connections to people pretty much dominate the plot of KH2."

So, because it's plot, we can just forgive her shrugging off concern for Riku in light of an imaginary friend? :/

"Well, she declined going to the island. Selphie's still hanging out with her when she puts out the message in a bottle, and there's no reason to think they didn't continue hanging out, just... not at the island."

I've seen this argument before. But the thing is, we didn't see them hang out. At all.

Also note that Selphie didn't decide to hang out with Kairi until after both Tidus and Wakka were busy. :I

"Mm, I guess we saw that scene differently. It certainly piqued her interest, but he was still a sketchy stranger who'd showed up out of nowhere, and she was weighing that fact against her desire to see Sora again."

She seemed like she was about to accept his offer though, had he not summoned the Dusks. :/

And then there's her exchange with Saix. It was about Sora. No mention of Riku.

Which brings me to my next point. Why would she tell Sora that she went looking for the two of them when she hadn't been concerned at all for Riku thus far?

"That is one of the most problematic parts of Kairi's character, I agree! ... Which is why I've been writing a fancomic to explain it. XD [link] I've only finished it through KH1 so far, but I think it addresses a lot of your issues. XD Particularly the "let's take the raft and go" comment, and the incident at Hollow Bastion."

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"Still... a raft. You'd want to be damn sure the people you took with you for a potentially very long voyage on a tiny raft were people you actually got along with."

From what we're shown, Sora and Kairi are closer than Kairi and Riku are. So, if Kairi really wanted to go, all she'd have to do is ask Sora and then Sora'd make Riku let her.

Plus two teenage boys setting out on a raft together seems a little too gay for Disney, so they needed some estrogen.

"Granted. But given the cosmic importance the Princesses seem to have (and who most of them are), we can at least figure that they are meant to be basically good people."

Who aren't exempt from having faults. And last time I checked, plot was not a reason to like a character.

"Man, I don't even know what is up with that Keyblade anymore. But I'd argue that it's a trait that is more or less favorable - even if they seem to be handing Keyblades out like candy these days, there's still one common trait: a heart that is worthy of a Keyblade. (Or a connection to one that is. See: Roxas and Xion.) Riku was originally meant to wield the Keyblade, after all. After it picked Sora instead, Riku only got his own after a long, hard year of atonement for what he'd done."

And what of Kairi? What has she done to earn that Keyblade?

Sora, through all of his actions throughout KH1, surely earned his Keyblade.
Riku, through all of his actions throughout R/R and KH2, earned his Keyblade.
What has Kairi done to earn something that's as important as a Keyblade, even if she was only holding it for a couple seconds?

Plot device =/= make for a favorable trait.

"I'd argue that it's more than that. Kairi had just been riding around inside Sora's heart for a few months, they were childhood friends, and yes, there's the romance connection too. Alice or Jasmine might be just as powerful, but Kairi has a connection to Sora that none of the other Princesses do. Sora even says as much when they're discussing what happened to him: "Our hearts are connected."

Maybe being a Princess gave her the power to do what she did. But being close to Sora was what gave her the way."

Once again, plot.

Even then, Kairi didn't know what she was doing. How can a complete accident be an object of admiration?
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009   Digital Artist
"Still have to admit it's pretty rude. :/"

Sure. I'm just saying, it was not exactly a normal social situation.

"So, because it's plot, we can just forgive her shrugging off concern for Riku in light of an imaginary friend? :/"

Eh, I guess it depends on how you read it. She remembers Riku and trusts that he'll be all right and she'll see him again. (I actually found that a bit heartwarming, because it shows how far she's come from her issues with him in the first game.) I'll admit there's problems with it, but I personally don't have an issue with it.

"I've seen this argument before. But the thing is, we didn't see them hang out. At all.

Also note that Selphie didn't decide to hang out with Kairi until after both Tidus and Wakka were busy. :I"

Because whatever they did after they were done talking about Kairi's memory issues wasn't plot-relevant.

Also, Selphie was always more Tidus and Wakka's friend than Kairi's. That much was apparent even in the first game.

"She seemed like she was about to accept his offer though, had he not summoned the Dusks. :/"

She was definitely mulling it over.

Though, aside from being somewhat inadvisable, how would her accepting his offer have made her a bad person?

"..."

...linking to something I've been writing specifically to address issues like these was faster and easier than writing an essay in the commentbox, okay? :<

"And then there's her exchange with Saix. It was about Sora. No mention of Riku."

Because... Saix only mentioned Sora. The purpose of Kairi's imprisonment was to motivate Sora. Kairi just asked what Saix was going to do with her. Saix answered. How was Kairi even to know that Saix knew anything about Riku?

"Which brings me to my next point. Why would she tell Sora that she went looking for the two of them when she hadn't been concerned at all for Riku thus far?"

I have no answer. The writing DID focus on her search for Sora. I do think Riku was under-used and under-referenced in KH2 (at least prior to the endgame), so the best I can do is chalk it up to sloppy writing. Which KH2 did have a lot of.

But I think that her genuine concern and care for Riku when they finally met does speak for itself.

"From what we're shown, Sora and Kairi are closer than Kairi and Riku are. So, if Kairi really wanted to go, all she'd have to do is ask Sora and then Sora'd make Riku let her."

Sora doesn't have that much influence over Riku. And I've never seen anything in Kairi's character that would indicate she begged - in fact, if you notice, she's the least enthusiastic of the three about the trip.

"Plus two teenage boys setting out on a raft together seems a little too gay for Disney, so they needed some estrogen."

...or, groups of three are a powerful theme commonly used in fiction? Especially as they're given symbolic importance: land, sea, and sky, not to mention that they correspond nicely to fairy tale archetypes of Hero, Villain, and Princess.

"Who aren't exempt from having faults. And last time I checked, plot was not a reason to like a character."

It can be, if a character has a role that's important to the plot. Plot is still part of the story, after all.

And no, I don't think Kairi is exempt from having faults. For instance, it's obvious to me she had some serious problems with Riku and the raft voyage, but never actually spoke up about them. That's a flaw, and her failure to address what was going on with Riku is one of the reasons there was a story at all. It is, however, a flaw I sympathize with and that I think adds to her character. That's the purpose of a character flaw, isn't it?

"And what of Kairi? What has she done to earn that Keyblade?

Sora, through all of his actions throughout KH1, surely earned his Keyblade.
Riku, through all of his actions throughout R/R and KH2, earned his Keyblade.
What has Kairi done to earn something that's as important as a Keyblade, even if she was only holding it for a couple seconds?

Plot device =/= make for a favorable trait."

Fair point, but here's the thing - the Keyblade doesn't appear to select based on what you've done. Riku was intended to receive the Keyblade, and Sora actually received it, before either one of them did anything more noteworthy than build a raft to go sailing. The whole point is worthiness of heart. Riku got pre-empted in favor of Sora when he let his heart take a sudden swerve into Corruptsville. Sora had not done anything heroic yet when the Keyblade chose him, based on the worthiness of his heart.

Kairi has not been shown nearly enough in the story. This is, I think, a failure of the writing. But if she was able to hold and use a Keyblade, the clear intent is that her heart is sufficiently strong and sufficiently worthy.

"Once again, plot.

Even then, Kairi didn't know what she was doing. How can a complete accident be an object of admiration?"

Yes. Plot. Which does have importance.

She knew, at the very least, that that particular Shadow was Sora, that she was protecting him in whatever way she could, and that she wanted him back very badly. Accident? Sure. But Kingdom Hearts is a fairy tale. Even accidents matter.
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
"Eh, I guess it depends on how you read it. She remembers Riku and trusts that he'll be all right and she'll see him again. (I actually found that a bit heartwarming, because it shows how far she's come from her issues with him in the first game.) I'll admit there's problems with it, but I personally don't have an issue with it."

Uh, the last time she saw him, he was getting possessed by Ansem. He was fighting back and he was losing. o_o; So I don't know how she got the idea that he'd be alright after that...

"Because whatever they did after they were done talking about Kairi's memory issues wasn't plot-relevant."

They still could have shown it. Make Kairi seem like a better friend than she did at that moment.

"Also, Selphie was always more Tidus and Wakka's friend than Kairi's. That much was apparent even in the first game."

Because Kairi was always on the other side of the island in the first game, away from all the other kids. Huh. Wonder if there's a connection.

"She was definitely mulling it over.

Though, aside from being somewhat inadvisable, how would her accepting his offer have made her a bad person?"

Hm. No reason really. Though I just think it's a bit unfair. With Riku, she says that he can take care of himself. With Sora, "maybe waiting's not good enough." :/

"...linking to something I've been writing specifically to address issues like these was faster and easier than writing an essay in the commentbox, okay? :<"

Fanon < Canon

It's all fine and dandy that you're writing something to explain that, but in the end, it'll still be considered fanart and wouldn't matter. Not if you're discussing canon.

"Because... Saix only mentioned Sora. The purpose of Kairi's imprisonment was to motivate Sora. Kairi just asked what Saix was going to do with her. Saix answered. How was Kairi even to know that Saix knew anything about Riku?"

Point still stands that Kairi never once even bothered herself with Riku for most of the game until after she met Sora.

"But I think that her genuine concern and care for Riku when they finally met does speak for itself."

And that excuses her nonchalant attitude towards him before?

Plus, Sora was looking for Riku the entire time. Kairi was just a side-quest. If Kairi had let Riku go without telling Sora, and Sora found out that she knew it was him, it wouldn't be too favorable for her. Especially if it would mean that Sora'd go chasing after Riku. Again. Leaving her behind. Again.

" Sora doesn't have that much influence over Riku. And I've never seen anything in Kairi's character that would indicate she begged - in fact, if you notice, she's the least enthusiastic of the three about the trip."

Alright, I'll give you that. Kairi might not have wanted to go really, but if Sora was going, I'd think she'd do anything, even go on a trip she doesn't want to with a person she doesn't want to.

"...or, groups of three are a powerful theme commonly used in fiction? Especially as they're given symbolic importance: land, sea, and sky, not to mention that they correspond nicely to fairy tale archetypes of Hero, Villain, and Princess."

That was a joke. :/

"It can be, if a character has a role that's important to the plot. Plot is still part of the story, after all."

True, but I'd rather have other reasons than merely the plot dictating a character's actions as for why I should like a certain character.

I'd rather have their personality or history move my heart, not just like a character simply because of the plot saying that they were such and such.

A good example would be Sora. Do I like him? Yes. Because he's the wielder of the keyblade? No. :/ I like him because of all of his different personality quirks, such as being chivalrous, loyal, a bit of a goofball, ect.

I don't see a reason for me to like Kairi just because she's a Princess of Heart. That's silly. Anyone could have been one. The only reason Kairi is one, however, is because of plot. And that's not a good reason to like her.

"And no, I don't think Kairi is exempt from having faults. For instance, it's obvious to me she had some serious problems with Riku and the raft voyage, but never actually spoke up about them. That's a flaw, and her failure to address what was going on with Riku is one of the reasons there was a story at all. It is, however, a flaw I sympathize with and that I think adds to her character. That's the purpose of a character flaw, isn't it?"

True, but excuse me if I find it hard to believe that a Kairi fan actually recognizes that Kairi has faults, considering I've met several who seem to think she's just so perfect and a saint incarnate. :/

"Fair point, but here's the thing - the Keyblade doesn't appear to select based on what you've done. Riku was intended to receive the Keyblade, and Sora actually received it, before either one of them did anything more noteworthy than build a raft to go sailing."

You know that was a complete accident, right? Sora 'stole' the Keyblade from Riku. :/ Until then, he was just 'borrowing' it, for lack of better term.

"The whole point is worthiness of heart. Riku got pre-empted in favor of Sora when he let his heart take a sudden swerve into Corruptsville. Sora had not done anything heroic yet when the Keyblade chose him, based on the worthiness of his heart."

Sora had done plenty of heroic things throughout KH1. o_o; Such as saving various Disney characters in their worlds.

But the Keyblade chose him in the end anyways because he proved that he was worthy of wielding it, I'll give you that. His heart was stronger than Riku's. That, and the Keyblade chooses its master. Maybe the KK is just a sucker for good, old-fashioned corny lines about friendship.

"Kairi has not been shown nearly enough in the story. This is, I think, a failure of the writing. But if she was able to hold and use a Keyblade, the clear intent is that her heart is sufficiently strong and sufficiently worthy."

... And then you have her heart fleeing from her body in KH1, which causes doubt in me. :/

And really, if the Wielder of the Keyblade gives you their Keyblade and tells it to stay, it will. For as long as it has to until its master says, "Okay". We've seen this with Jack and Leon, where they've both held the Keyblade for a short while until Sora called it back from them.

I think that scene in KH2 is nothing more than a longer version of that.

"Yes. Plot. Which does have importance."

While it holds importance, it's still isn't a reason in favor of Kairi. It was an accident. She didn't mean to do it.

"She knew, at the very least, that that particular Shadow was Sora, that she was protecting him in whatever way she could, and that she wanted him back very badly. Accident? Sure. But Kingdom Hearts is a fairy tale. Even accidents matter."

Protect him from what? He was a Heartless at the moment; it's not like he was really in any danger at all. So it was unnecessary for her to even do that, really. :/
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Blayzes Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2009
Just want to point out:

"Because Kairi was always on the other side of the island in the first game, away from all the other kids. Huh. Wonder if there's a connection."

She wasn't the only one. On the first day, talk to Selphie and she says to Sora, "Hi, Sora. We haven't seen you around lately". I think there is a connection as to why both Sora and Kairi didn't speak with TWS during that time: THE RAFT. The first two days was during their period of making the raft, so they probably didn't socialize much during that time. We only saw those two days, so you can't really judge how social Kairi was before then since we only ever saw those two days.

Just wanted to say that. Carry on.
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009   Digital Artist
....Wow I like how I totally skipped over a point there. *foreheadsmack*

"Fanon < Canon

It's all fine and dandy that you're writing something to explain that, but in the end, it'll still be considered fanart and wouldn't matter. Not if you're discussing canon."

Yes, okay, I'll stop trying to be clever. XD; It's just that my argument re: the raft comment + the Hollow Bastion incident + Kairi's general bizarre attitude towards Riku in the first game is an essay in itself, and linking to the comic was basically "here, this is my argument made pretty". Sorry. I'll elaborate if you still want to discuss that.
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
(Disregard if you don't care to hear something about Days.)

I've seen that theory before. ._.

As it were though, it's all just speculation. And probably something that might not even get explained, which sucks.

Though from what I hear from my friend, Days apparently bases the non-friendship between Kairi and Riku. :/

So it's saying that they weren't really meant to be that close of friends to begin with, which might make up for her nonchalant attitude towards him, if she wasn't ever supposed to care about him that much to begin with.
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009   Digital Artist
Hmm. Well, I'm working on playing Days right now, so I guess I'll see when I see. o_ob
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"Uh, the last time she saw him, he was getting possessed by Ansem. He was fighting back and he was losing. o_o; So I don't know how she got the idea that he'd be alright after that..."

That, I will give you. Possibly she managed to see him on the other side of the door, but... Yeah, point. One could speculate that the memory was so bound up in Sora that she couldn't remember it clearly, but...

"Point still stands that Kairi never once even bothered herself with Riku for most of the game until after she met Sora."

Sure, but do you acknowledge that I have a point there too?

"And that excuses her nonchalant attitude towards him before?"

For me, it does. The writing in KH2 can be pretty inconsistent. I think her behavior towards him in the endgame is more important, with regards to how she thinks of him, than her smattering of scenes prior. My personal judgement. *shrug*

"Plus, Sora was looking for Riku the entire time. Kairi was just a side-quest. If Kairi had let Riku go without telling Sora, and Sora found out that she knew it was him, it wouldn't be too favorable for her. Especially if it would mean that Sora'd go chasing after Riku. Again. Leaving her behind. Again."

Kairi didn't know, though. All she knew was that Sora was out there somewhere, and these sketchy dudes in black coats were using her to get at him.

"Alright, I'll give you that. Kairi might not have wanted to go really, but if Sora was going, I'd think she'd do anything, even go on a trip she doesn't want to with a person she doesn't want to."

Mmm, maybe. If so, that is a flaw in her character - that she never spoke up to say she didn't really want to go. And as I said, it's a flaw that's easy to sympathize with.

"That was a joke. :/"

Sorry. I've had people try and use arguments like that on me in all apparent seriousness, so I wasn't sure. ^^;

"Because Kairi was always on the other side of the island in the first game, away from all the other kids. Huh. Wonder if there's a connection."

Iiiii doubt it.

"They still could have shown it. Make Kairi seem like a better friend than she did at that moment."

Yeah, they could have. I'd have liked to see that, too.

"Hm. No reason really. Though I just think it's a bit unfair. With Riku, she says that he can take care of himself. With Sora, "maybe waiting's not good enough." :/"

Yeah, her writing in the game is very Sora-biased up until the endgame, I'll agree. I just feel it's sufficiently justified that it doesn't bug me.

"True, but excuse me if I find it hard to believe that a Kairi fan actually recognizes that Kairi has faults, considering I've met several who seem to think she's just so perfect and a saint incarnate. :/"

And I've met several Kairi non-fans who seem to think she's the biggest bitch ever and breaking up Riku and Sora's pure and true love. :/ Let's try not to generalize each other.

"I don't see a reason for me to like Kairi just because she's a Princess of Heart. That's silly. Anyone could have been one. The only reason Kairi is one, however, is because of plot. And that's not a good reason to like her."

It's still a part of her character. I'm not saying "you should like Kairi, because the plot made her a Princess of Heart!" I'm just saying that the fact that she is a Princess of Heart is a part of who she is, even if it is a plot device.

I will admit, by the way, that Kairi is pretty much a living plot device, particularly in the first game. ^^; I just like her despite that, and because I see enough in her personality to like.

...I think this means I just proved your point, while still disagreeing with you. o_oa Huh.

"You know that was a complete accident, right? Sora 'stole' the Keyblade from Riku. :/ Until then, he was just 'borrowing' it, for lack of better term."

Yeah, I think we're reading it differently. The way I see it, Riku was originally intended, screwed up his chance, Sora got it, end of story. The Keyblade wavered over the course of the game - possibly because it was trying to choose between two equally strong and almost equally worthy hearts - but finally settled on Sora. Riku might've said Sora was "just the delivery boy", but I'm pretty sure that for all that time he was using the Keyblade, he was the one who deserved it. And, therefore, was the one the Keyblade had chosen. It just means the Keyblade can change its mind.

"Sora had done plenty of heroic things throughout KH1. o_o; Such as saving various Disney characters in their worlds."

Ah, I think we may be misunderstanding each other. I meant that at the moment Sora received it, that is, when it first appeared in his hand on Destiny Islands, he hadn't done anything heroic yet. He then went on to prove himself pretty worthy, of course.

"... And then you have her heart fleeing from her body in KH1, which causes doubt in me. :/"

Strong and worthy people can lose their hearts too, you know. She lost hers when the world's heart basically exploded darkness at her. Makes sense to me.

"And really, if the Wielder of the Keyblade gives you their Keyblade and tells it to stay, it will. For as long as it has to until its master says, "Okay". We've seen this with Jack and Leon, where they've both held the Keyblade for a short while until Sora called it back from them."

Fair point.

I want to mention that I've read something - an interview with Nomura or something, I think - that indicates the Keyblade she wields there is definitely her own, but damned if I can source the thing, so I'm not entirely sure I'm not making it up. XD;

"While it holds importance, it's still isn't a reason in favor of Kairi. It was an accident. She didn't mean to do it."

Point. But she did mean to hold on to Sora and get him back in some way.

"Protect him from what? He was a Heartless at the moment; it's not like he was really in any danger at all. So it was unnecessary for her to even do that, really. :/"

He wasn't acting like a normal Heartless, and she knew it was him. Him being a Heartless was obviously pretty bad news for him, so...

Protecting him from the other Heartless, idk. She wasn't exactly thinking rationally.
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
"Sure, but do you acknowledge that I have a point there too?"

Fine.

"For me, it does. The writing in KH2 can be pretty inconsistent. I think her behavior towards him in the endgame is more important, with regards to how she thinks of him, than her smattering of scenes prior. My personal judgement. *shrug*"

Well, sure, you have them in TWTNW, but what about in the ending? I would've sufficed for at least a, "Hey Riku." :c

"Kairi didn't know, though. All she knew was that Sora was out there somewhere, and these sketchy dudes in black coats were using her to get at him."

You mean when they met Rikunort in TWTNW, after she just met with Sora? o_o; She knew it was Riku; Namine called him that.

"Sorry. I've had people try and use arguments like that on me in all apparent seriousness, so I wasn't sure."

It's okay.

"Iiiii doubt it."

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"Yeah, they could have. I'd have liked to see that, too."

They could have done a lot of things, really, that would've made the game much better. >:c Like scenes with Axel and Kairi, when they're on Twilight Town's beach, or all the AkuNami scenes. FFFF. Nomura.

"Yeah, her writing in the game is very Sora-biased up until the endgame, I'll agree. I just feel it's sufficiently justified that it doesn't bug me."

Her writing in both games is very Sora-oriented. My friend said this once: "It's because her character is that much Sora dependant that she can't develop and grow as a character."

Had we seen Kairi just once by herself or with another character without Sora being mentioned, even once, then perhaps I'd have a higher opinion of her. But as it were, all of her scenes and all of her actions revolve around Sora, which is sad. Not that I really blame her for that, that's more of SE's fault than anything. :/

"And I've met several Kairi non-fans who seem to think she's the biggest bitch ever and breaking up Riku and Sora's pure and true love. :/ Let's try not to generalize each other."

People who hate characters because they break up their OTP are stupid. If they can't find a way around that character without bastardizing them to hell, then obviously they don't care about that couple as much as they think.

I mean, any true fan would know that nothing can break up SoRiku. Not even Tron. :3

"It's still a part of her character. I'm not saying "you should like Kairi, because the plot made her a Princess of Heart!" I'm just saying that the fact that she is a Princess of Heart is a part of who she is, even if it is a plot device."

I'm just saying, if you're going for reasons as to why someone should like her, use her personality traits. Not plot devices. :/ Tends to work out better in the end too, usually.

"I will admit, by the way, that Kairi is pretty much a living plot device, particularly in the first game. I just like her despite that, and because I see enough in her personality to like.

...I think this means I just proved your point, while still disagreeing with you. o_oa Huh."

O:

"Yeah, I think we're reading it differently. The way I see it, Riku was originally intended, screwed up his chance, Sora got it, end of story. The Keyblade wavered over the course of the game - possibly because it was trying to choose between two equally strong and almost equally worthy hearts - but finally settled on Sora. Riku might've said Sora was "just the delivery boy", but I'm pretty sure that for all that time he was using the Keyblade, he was the one who deserved it. And, therefore, was the one the Keyblade had chosen. It just means the Keyblade can change its mind."

Riku was originally intended for the Keyblade, but then Sora touched the light in his heart and hence 'stole' it from him. I'll agree with you on the last part though. All throughout the game, it was a struggle over who got the Keyblade.

"Ah, I think we may be misunderstanding each other. I meant that at the moment Sora received it, that is, when it first appeared in his hand on Destiny Islands, he hadn't done anything heroic yet. He then went on to prove himself pretty worthy, of course."

Well, I've said this before. No harm saying it again. Sora touched the light in Riku's heart and 'stole' the Keyblade away from him. Nomura kinda confirmed this in an interview, so. :v

"Strong and worthy people can lose their hearts too, you know. She lost hers when the world's heart basically exploded darkness at her. Makes sense to me."

... But she's a Princess of Heart. What would the darkness do to her? ._.; Wouldn't she just, iunno, purify it?

"Fair point.

I want to mention that I've read something - an interview with Nomura or something, I think - that indicates the Keyblade she wields there is definitely her own, but damned if I can source the thing, so I'm not entirely sure I'm not making it up. XD;"

I think I know the interview you mean. :v

Nomura: Riku’s “Way to the Dawn” and Kairi’s Keyblade are naturally the same type of Keyblade as Sora’s. However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater’s transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku’s handing it to Kairi.

That? Well, two things I'd like to point out.

1) The Keyblade Riku gives Kairi doesn't have a name. So, wouldn't it make sense for them to say Kairi's keyblade so they'd know what they're talking about, if it doesn't have a name and saying 'The keyblade Riku handed Kairi' is too long and redundant?
2) It also says this: However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater’s transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku’s handing it to Kairi.

It referring to the Soul Eater, otherwise known as Riku's weapon. Way I see it, Riku dual-wielded and handed Kairi his other Keyblade. Just like Roxas handed Riku Oblivion in that one scene. It's the same type of deal.

And believe me, I've had that line translated so many different times with it all saying the same thing in the end. ._.;;

"Point. But she did mean to hold on to Sora and get him back in some way."

See, now THAT'S something that you should use for a reason to like Kairi. :/ Not because of some plot, but because of something from her character.

Kairi wanted to bring Sora back. That shows she cares about Sora. That's a more admirable trait for her than saying she saved him through means of an accident, imo.

"He wasn't acting like a normal Heartless, and she knew it was him. Him being a Heartless was obviously pretty bad news for him, so...

Protecting him from the other Heartless, idk. She wasn't exactly thinking rationally."

And this is where I say shoddy writing comes into play. :/ Sora's already a Heartless, and it doesn't make sense that they'd attack one of their own, so really, wtf Nomura?

If you really needed to make Kairi hug Sora, you could've just had her recognize him, start crying, go "Sora" while she's sobbing, and just give him a hug.

No need to come up with nonsensical reasons like that. >.>

((Don't mind me, I'm simply getting frustrated by stupid writing is all.))
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alyssafew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009   Digital Artist
"Well, sure, you have them in TWTNW, but what about in the ending? I would've sufficed for at least a, "Hey Riku." :c"

Well, Riku was off being mushy with the King. XD

"You mean when they met Rikunort in TWTNW, after she just met with Sora? o_o; She knew it was Riku; Namine called him that."

...No, I mean she didn't know Sora had been searching so hard for Riku all this time. She wasn't witness to what he'd done and said that whole time.

"They could have done a lot of things, really, that would've made the game much better. >:c Like scenes with Axel and Kairi, when they're on Twilight Town's beach, or all the AkuNami scenes. FFFF. Nomura."

Oh man, don't get me started. There is a lot to criticize about how KH2's story played out, especially compared to the first game.

"Had we seen Kairi just once by herself or with another character without Sora being mentioned, even once, then perhaps I'd have a higher opinion of her. But as it were, all of her scenes and all of her actions revolve around Sora, which is sad. Not that I really blame her for that, that's more of SE's fault than anything. :/"

Hahaha, that's a large part of my point! XD I'm a big believer in giving characters the benefit of the doubt when the writing is clearly not delivering on their potential.

"People who hate characters because they break up their OTP are stupid. If they can't find a way around that character without bastardizing them to hell, then obviously they don't care about that couple as much as they think."

We are in complete agreement there. o/

"... But she's a Princess of Heart. What would the darkness do to her? ._.; Wouldn't she just, iunno, purify it?"

Who knows?

My personal theory is this: we know the Princesses can hold the darkness back, since they were doing it at Hollow Bastion; and what other reason would Kairi have to be in the secret place, other than trying - perhaps instinctually - to hold back a vast darkness she felt building? But the world was already so far gone, and she was alone, so it simply overwhelmed her. It's like water and fire - if you have enough water compared to the fire, the fire goes out; but if you don't, it's useless.

"Well, I've said this before. No harm saying it again. Sora touched the light in Riku's heart and 'stole' the Keyblade away from him. Nomura kinda confirmed this in an interview, so. :v"

Huh, is that what happened? Interesting. Using the word 'stole' for it makes me scratch my head a bit, but eh. :U

"That? Well, two things I'd like to point out.

1) The Keyblade Riku gives Kairi doesn't have a name. So, wouldn't it make sense for them to say Kairi's keyblade so they'd know what they're talking about, if it doesn't have a name and saying 'The keyblade Riku handed Kairi' is too long and redundant?
2) It also says this: However there is no particular explanation for the Soul Eater’s transfer and occurrence, as well as Riku’s handing it to Kairi.

It referring to the Soul Eater, otherwise known as Riku's weapon. Way I see it, Riku dual-wielded and handed Kairi his other Keyblade. Just like Roxas handed Riku Oblivion in that one scene. It's the same type of deal.

And believe me, I've had that line translated so many different times with it all saying the same thing in the end. ._.;;"

Hmm, I'm not sure if that's the one I read or not... Good points, though.

"See, now THAT'S something that you should use for a reason to like Kairi. :/ Not because of some plot, but because of something from her character.

Kairi wanted to bring Sora back. That shows she cares about Sora. That's a more admirable trait for her than saying she saved him through means of an accident, imo."

All right, I suppose I've been arguing this wrong. :|a I suppose that's the point I've been trying to make, then - she cares about Sora, wanted to bring him back, and because of that was able to; and this speaks well of her character.

(For the record, this is a rather old comic, and there's a reason I just moved it to scraps yesterday... XD)

"And this is where I say shoddy writing comes into play. :/ Sora's already a Heartless, and it doesn't make sense that they'd attack one of their own, so really, wtf Nomura?"

'WTF Nomura' is my freakin' battle cry, man.
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Suffering-Angel Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
"I also realize that it's hard to keep them 'in-character' when they don't have much of a character to begin with. "

True that. Hence why Kairi would look different in almost every piece you read - aside from those that go for the generic Sue she was portrayed as in KH2.

"fanfic writers dictate what her personality is, both the ones that like her and the ones that don't."

I don't write her. :c

"So, uh, where's the concern for Riku?"

What, he can take care of himself. Even when possessed. He's that awesome.

"She offered to leave him behind to go on a cruise with Sora, just the two of them."

Careful, girl, they'll say she was joking, without realizing we don't have to accept it :c

"Then, she abandons Riku when he was being possessed by Ansem without even trying to do anything to help"

The manga tried to fix that a bit by having Donald and Goofy have to drag her away. But I think that if they wanted to do that in the game, they could've been bothered with it.
They didn't.

"It wasn't her own to begin with, and I don't see how that's an admirable trait, really. :/"

It would indicate strength of Heart, but seeing how her Heart left her body despite being a PoH I'm doubtful. I'm the first person to believe that was Riku Duel Wielding so it doesn't matter much, I guess.
Oh but let's never forget Keyblade wielders were also harbringers of chaos. Hurray at villain Kairi in KH3.

"Uh, because she's a Princess of Heart. That's it. If Alice or Jasmine were there and did the same thing, it would have the same result."

In her defense let it be said she had being his childhood friend going for her, not to mention her Heart was in contact with his so it might've made things easier.
That would point us back to PLOT however, and thus it's nothing to really hold in Kairi's favor. I mean, as much as I love the gameplay, I don't love Sora just because he wields a Keyblade :c
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
"I don't write her. :c"

I meant the ones that do. :c

"What, he can take care of himself. Even when possessed. He's that awesome."

True dat.

"Careful, girl, they'll say she was joking, without realizing we don't have to accept it :c"

Right, right. Forgot how Kairi fans worked for a minute there.

"The manga tried to fix that a bit by having Donald and Goofy have to drag her away. But I think that if they wanted to do that in the game, they could've been bothered with it.
They didn't."

Keep in mind the manga also didn't have the raft comment. :v

"Hurray at villain Kairi in KH3."
Yes. And bring your pink clone with you while you're at it. The sooner Nami gets free, the better. :D

"In her defense let it be said she had being his childhood friend going for her"

Sora wouldn't care. He tried to save Alice, and he didn't even know her, let alone met her yet. :3

"not to mention her Heart was in contact with his so it might've made things easier."

Hm, true.

"That would point us back to PLOT however, and thus it's nothing to really hold in Kairi's favor. I mean, as much as I love the gameplay, I don't love Sora just because he wields a Keyblade :c"

Inorite. I mean, I love Luxord and all, but that's not just because he has a sexy accent. :c



He also has facial hair. o/
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Suffering-Angel Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Luxord pwns your pompoms, girl. I love him so much, that sexy Brit.
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Suffering-Angel Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
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luffyrox243 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009
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Suffering-Angel Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Riku didn't like Kairi too much the twice in KH1 when he was this close to getting Sora to forget all about her too. Seeing how she was no where in sight when the Islands disappeared but he still said she was coming with them, and then in Traverse Town he shrugged her off and said she was looking for them.
Kairi has all the makings in-game to be a bitch. It depends on which scenes you pay attention to and how forgiving you are to them. If you're not - and that's not to say something's wrong with you - you'll end up disliking Kairi to quiet an extreme point.
I love how you bring up her being a PoH as a reason. Keep that to yourself until after Birth By Sleep is released and we know what's up with them. And I'm sorry but if you're saying that Kairi is perfect because her Heart is of pure light, you're saying Riku is the biggest bitch ever because he has Darkness in his Heart. Now that's not true, is it? So why say the other way around? It's baseless.

And what taking away personalities? That Riku has a jealousy issue for Sora? That Sora was distraught in KH2 and made it sound like he's depressed not because Kairi's in danger, but because he had to save her AGAIN? Those ARE their personalities, sorry to tell you that.

You know what I don't like? I agree, bashing.
But beyond that I dislike people that think that just because people disagree with them, those people are wrong. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Kairi. She doesn't have to be the cute, innocent, perfectest girl ever - especially when the biggest basis we have to go on as far as Sora and Riku being her friends are that the games SAID SO! I'm sorry, but I'd never ever joke about leaving my friend behind before going on a road trip, least of all to that friend's best friend.
You can argue character analysis, that's just fine and that's just dandy.
What you're doing here is calling a lot of people that don't bash, don't hate blindly, and gave plenty of thought to the character before deciding they disliked her - wrong, and you have no right to say that.
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